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> Cryptography Challenge: Discover Golem's real name, You can read the ancient texts at the end of the world!
Edmundo Bordeu
post May 13 2009, 05:54 PM
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Just a tiny bit more of hints...
-I can say that there have been at least two correct guesses.
-Remember the symbols represent sounds, not necessarily letters.
-And there are also about two correct guesses in the Steam forums

http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/show...d=1#post9874502

deloctyte:
mini extra hint,
alah is not the first word, and is not written anywere at all smile.gif
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Chilean Wolf
post May 13 2009, 06:42 PM
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Notice that there are words that repeat a few times during the text, asuming the dots are spaces.

The words circled in green are the same except for the last letter, which means they sound ALMOST the same.

The ones circled in brown are the same characters, but swapped.

The lonely light blue circled 'b' like symbol is obviously a single sound. 'A' is the only word in english I can think of, that could make sense.



Cuando se traduce, el texto está en español o inglés?
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SigmaLambda
post May 13 2009, 07:30 PM
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I whipped up a handy chart that lists all symbols that appear in the text, as well as the number of times each symbol appears.



I also gave each of the symbols an arbitrary name so they can be discussed easily.
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Rythlion
post May 13 2009, 07:34 PM
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The lone Gamma may be the key to figuring a great deal out. If we can find its sound, as it is prevalent all about the inscription, we should be able to understand a great amount. Assuming the dots ARE spaces, of course. That is the only hint I desire, for if we base our entire operation on that and it is false, we're in a spot of trouble.

The Gamma could be, as far as letters:

'a' with the 'uh' sound. [As in the first letter of 'attack']
'a' with the 'ey' sound. [As in 'hay']
'I' with the 'aye' sound. [As in 'tried']
'I' with the 'ih' sound. [As in 'in']

As far as sounds:

Uh [Attack]
Ey [Hay]
Aye [Die]
Ih [In]
Eh [Effort]
Gah [Gallop]

That is all I can think of. I'm guessing that the Gamma is one of the first three.


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Zeno Clash is remarkable. ...remarkable is an odd word. 'Remark' 'able'. We take it to mean 'great' or 'fabulous', but all the word means is that the noun it describes can be remarked upon. What is those are BAD remarks? ... Sometimes I have trouble sleeping at night.
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Chilean Wolf
post May 13 2009, 07:52 PM
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Looks like we're getting somewhere. smile.gif
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post May 13 2009, 08:17 PM
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Also, Alpha likely cannot be an 'e' sound, as it begins many words, and few words begin with an 'e' sound.

E sounds:

Eh [Elephant]
Ee [Evil]
Air [Error]

These sounds couldn't comprise the beginnings of so many words, so are doubtful. 'Air' is immediately capable of being dispatched, as it is too specific to work. 'Ee' might work, but I have great doubt. 'Eh' could work, but it seems unlikely. I'm not sure of anything, but I do not believe an 'e' sound is represented by Alpha.

The other vowel noises...

U

Uh [Ugly]
You [Uranium]

Y

Aye [Try]
Ee [Silly]

A

Aw [Automated]
Ah [Adamant]
Uh [Attack]

I

Ih [Insect]
Aye [Hi]

O

Aw [Octapus]
Oh [Slow]

Of all those, I feel that 'Aw', 'Ah', and 'Uh' are the most likely sounds for Alpha, of the vowels.


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Zeno Clash is remarkable. ...remarkable is an odd word. 'Remark' 'able'. We take it to mean 'great' or 'fabulous', but all the word means is that the noun it describes can be remarked upon. What is those are BAD remarks? ... Sometimes I have trouble sleeping at night.
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post May 13 2009, 08:18 PM
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Awesome, SigmaLambda and Rythlion! I see we are getting closer to the solution biggrin.gif
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post May 13 2009, 08:38 PM
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QUOTE (SigmaLambda @ May 13 2009, 06:30 PM) *
I whipped up a handy chart that lists all symbols that appear in the text, as well as the number of times each symbol appears.



I also gave each of the symbols an arbitrary name so they can be discussed easily.


These are my perceptions (sorry if I misused that word)

Alpha: Ear
Beta: Dot, pebble, bug, bullet,stone
Gamma:
Delta: Branch
Epsilon:
Zeta: Tree
Eta: Nose
Theta:
Iota:
Kappa: Crab
Lambda: Knife
Mu:
Nu: Muculasourusasldkfjlskj
Xi: Sun
Omicron: Moon
Pi: Pipe, Horn
Rho: Waterfall
Sigma: Door
Tau: Bow, Bird
Upsilon: Moon
Phi:
Chi: Snake
Psi: Thorn
Omega: Goldenrod (aren't the health plants called those?)
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SigmaLambda
post May 13 2009, 08:57 PM
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One thing I noticed is that in the first line of the third, uh, stanza there is both the word "Zeta-Alpha" and "Alpha-Zeta"

So if we can look for words that are comprised of two sounds, and are reversible in their pronunciation, we could figure out what those words are.

If we can work out which ones the vowel sounds are, this'll become a lot easier.
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post May 13 2009, 09:11 PM
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Does anyone have any guesses on Gamma? @_@
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Carlos Bordeu
post May 14 2009, 09:47 AM
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QUOTE (Chilean Wolf @ May 13 2009, 06:42 PM) *
Cuando se traduce, el texto está en español o inglés?


Chilean Wolf is asking: 'When this is translated, will the result be in english or spanish?'

The answer is: English

You have to think of the phonetic sounds of english... not spanish.
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Edmundo Bordeu
post May 14 2009, 10:57 AM
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I just wanted to add sharpened version of the existing chart, because I saw some symbols are too hard to interpret with those thick black lines.



notice the . sign is missing, because it is just a space

and a useless bonus:

Attached Image

The "Sh" sound!
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Akashic
post May 14 2009, 03:35 PM
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QUOTE (Edmundo Bordeu @ May 14 2009, 08:57 AM) *
I just wanted to add sharpened version of the existing chart, because I saw some symbols are too hard to interpret with those thick black lines.



notice the . sign is missing, because it is just a space

and a useless bonus:

Attached Image

The "Sh" sound!


What is the sh symbol a picture of?
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Andres Bordeu
post May 14 2009, 04:20 PM
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QUOTE (Akashic @ May 14 2009, 03:35 PM) *
What is the sh symbol a picture of?


A shadow I think... Only Edmundo can read this thing properly... smile.gif
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post May 14 2009, 10:25 PM
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So if that's shadow and the others work the same uuuh

something like this, I added some wild guesses in there

PS: It's EE since that's the correct phonetic sound
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post May 14 2009, 11:31 PM
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QUOTE (ZomBuster @ May 14 2009, 10:25 PM) *
So if that's shadow and the others work the same uuuh

something like this, I added some wild guesses in there

PS: It's EE since that's the correct phonetic sound


Wow! Getting closer smile.gif
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post May 15 2009, 02:22 AM
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Here are my guesses. Hopefully their close.


By hearty0 at 2009-05-14

Sorry the letters aren't centered or anything, but I only have pain

P.S. Here is what I got by translating with what we have. Doesn't make much sense, but maybe it'll improve.


By hearty0 at 2009-05-14
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post May 15 2009, 02:36 AM
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So I think there's a consensus, Alpha pretty much has to be a long e "(ee)" sound.

Going from there, Zeta either has to make a "T" or an "S" sound. Those are the only two that work with the two reversible words in first line in the third stanza.
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post May 15 2009, 02:54 AM
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Oh, and because I think that the more people who work on it the faster I'm going to get The Escapist community on this as well.


P.S. Sadly their server is down so I can't make a thread for this yet, but I will soon.
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post May 15 2009, 07:08 AM
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Just a little something regarding Xi and Upsilon, those pictograms could represent some more abstract concepts, such as Xi could represent "Above" (so Ab maybe? Ah?) and Upsilon could represent "Below" (Beh? Buh? Bel?).
El edito: Just as I notice LTK's post, which basically says the same things, but days earlier. Sooo I agree with him!

Also Tau looks like a stick-figure bird, but it could also mean fly or flight, possibly even sky. Although judging by the "sh" example, a stick figure bird might be a too simple interpretation. Zeta does look like a tree, but also it could represent one of the trees in the desert, which are very tall, might equate to a "tah" sound rather than a "t" or "tr" sound.
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