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> Cryptography Challenge: Discover Golem's real name, You can read the ancient texts at the end of the world!
Edmundo Bordeu
post May 15 2009, 11:11 AM
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Wow, you discovered "z"enith! I thought that was the hardest one... It was hard to think of a simple "Z" recognizable icon that wasn't a "Zebra".



So you now know at least one word... EE-Z or "is"

A real phonetic alphabet should "sound" more accurate than that, but that would also make it have much more symbols (and make it harder to decypher)

Other guesses are kind of close to what they represent but not correct... "bug" "branch"
I also remember someone had found the correct "Tau" and "Psi" before...
No more hints for a while!
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post May 15 2009, 12:31 PM
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Thanks Edmundo, we're getting there now!

I think it would be helpful if we look at the frequency of the symbols. We have this chart from Wikipedia:



E is the most frequent, followed by t, a and o. We've got e in the correct place, so the others should be around this frequency too.

I'm trying to decipher the first word by looking at the structure. It's nu-gamma-nu-kappa. Nu is either a vowel or a consonant. The first thing that comes to mind is the word 'ever'. Only I can't see how the 'eh' sound fits with nu. The symbol looks like someone bending, is that it? The 'eh' in 'bend'?

I would never have come up with 'zenith'. Never even heard of the term. tongue.gif But if xi is 'zenith', is upsilon 'nadir'? The 'n' sound?
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post May 15 2009, 01:41 PM
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Is Zeta "S" for "stalk"?
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post May 15 2009, 02:34 PM
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QUOTE (SigmaLambda @ May 15 2009, 07:41 PM) *
Is Zeta "S" for "stalk"?


I don't think so. If you look at the fourth block, first row, there are two words: zeta-alpha and alpha-zeta. If 'stalk' is 's', or 'st', then that would make 'stee' and 'eest'. Neither of those make sense in context. Without the t it becomes 'see', that could work, but not 'ees', since there already is a word for "is".

Here are some more of my guesses:

Gamma could be an oar, OO sound. That fits reasonably well with the letter frequency, although T or A could fit better, but I don't know how the symbol corresponds to those.

Kappa is probably a crab, so a K sound. There are too many kappas in the text, though, so I could be wrong.

Lambda looks like the Egyptian symbol for reed, with an I sound. The frequency comes close.

Someone else guessed 'kneel' for nu, but I think it's 'bend', with a B.

Sigma is probably a door, with either an OO sound or D sound. If I'm wrong about gamma it might be OO.

Tau is a bird, but there's already a B for 'bend', so I'm gonna go with 'fly', with an F sound.

The opposite of 'zenith' is 'nadir', but there are too few of those to fit with the frequency, so I think it's 'under' instead, that sounds like 'uh'.

Amirite? Amirong?

Edit: So I was wrong mostly. tongue.gif I took out the table, to use clogging the pages with wrong guesses.
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post May 15 2009, 03:55 PM
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All I'm going to say today is:
From the new guesses, only "Uh"=Under is correct!
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post May 15 2009, 04:03 PM
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QUOTE (LTK @ May 15 2009, 03:34 PM) *
I don't think so. If you look at the fourth block, first row, there are two words: zeta-alpha and alpha-zeta. If 'stalk' is 's', or 'st', then that would make 'stee' and 'eest'. Neither of those make sense in context. Without the t it becomes 'see', that could work, but not 'ees', since there already is a word for "is".

Here are some more of my guesses:



Gamma could be an oar, OO sound. That fits reasonably well with the letter frequency, although T or A could fit better, but I don't know how the symbol corresponds to those.

Kappa is probably a crab, so a K sound. There are too many kappas in the text, though, so I could be wrong.

Lambda looks like the Egyptian symbol for reed, with an I sound. The frequency comes close.

Someone else guessed 'kneel' for nu, but I think it's 'bend', with a B.

Sigma is probably a door, with either an OO sound or D sound. If I'm wrong about gamma it might be OO.

Tau is a bird, but there's already a B for 'bend', so I'm gonna go with 'fly', with an F sound.

The opposite of 'zenith' is 'nadir', but there are too few of those to fit with the frequency, so I think it's 'under' instead, that sounds like 'uh'.

Amirite? Amirong?



And Golems secret name is.. Bob? laugh.gif

I don't know.. I think we need to find out the more common symbols first to get some structure

ohh well atleast that's one right..
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post May 15 2009, 05:09 PM
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Rho could be a cascade. It does make sense on the eleventh line, second word (on that line) would be 'kiss'.
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post May 15 2009, 05:51 PM
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The first thing Rho struck me as was a pair of legs. /shrug
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post May 15 2009, 05:54 PM
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QUOTE (sjael @ May 15 2009, 05:51 PM) *
The first thing Rho struck me as was a pair of legs. /shrug


Actually, me too, but....


Well, yeah, could be.
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post May 15 2009, 06:36 PM
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Okay, so upsilon is the 'uh' sound as in 'under'. The rest is wrong. I took out the table in my other post.

What if we look at the two-letter words? They might be easy to guess. Look at the first row of the fourth block. There are two two-letter words that are each other's reverse. We know the 'ee' sound, so we need to find a two-letter word with 'ee' that is also a proper word in reverse.

If we take similar sounds for 'w', 'v' and 'f' (let's call them all 'v') then we get words 'vee' and 'eev', or 'we' and 'if'. That means zeta is 'v'. Sound good?

Now, if gamma is not 'oo' as in 'oar', then I'm guessing it's either 't' or 'a'. Since the three-letter word on the fourth row of the fifth block is omega-gamma-kappa, it's probably 'a' since there are no words that sound like 'pt-'. That makes gamma either 'ah' or 'aa'.

Some help with this? D:
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post May 15 2009, 06:53 PM
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There is also a 3 symbol long word with "Uh" in the middle. There can't be that many words like that..

Also I think gamma is a "U" as in "you" sound. That would explain the one symbol word..

or maybe a "OO" as in "boo" .. they are pretty close
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post May 15 2009, 07:22 PM
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You know what, I just read the post by Edmundo. Nevermind. tongue.gif
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post May 15 2009, 07:49 PM
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Ok what we have gotten right so far are:

Alpha=E
Xi=Zeh
Omega=P
Upsilon=Uh


Oh, and someone got Tau and Psi right, but we don't know who.
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post May 15 2009, 09:43 PM
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QUOTE (hearty0 @ May 15 2009, 08:49 PM) *
Ok what we have gotten right so far are:

Alpha=E
Xi=Zeh
Omega=P
Upsilon=Uh


Oh, and someone got Tau and Psi right, but we don't know who.


After some logical thinking I figured it had to be Akashic who had them right so this is pretty much what we got right now
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post May 15 2009, 10:27 PM
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Yaaaay I did something wright!!!
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post May 16 2009, 12:00 AM
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I'm going to list some of my new guesses.

Zeta=Growth=gruh or Stalk=Stah
Nu=One of those desert animals I don't know the name of.
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post May 16 2009, 02:50 AM
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Gamma could be an Eye
Delta could be a Twig
Sampi could be Leaf
Eta could be Edge
Omicron could be Crescent

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post May 16 2009, 07:04 AM
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You can just delete extra posts, right? tongue.gif ...Oh wait, I guess you can't. sad.gif

I hadn't noticed the single-letter words yet, 'you' could be a very good guess for those. Thorn could be right too. I'll have to look into that...
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Edmundo Bordeu
post May 16 2009, 12:08 PM
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Aha!
Bird and THorn are correct. But after those two were put on the chart only one guess has been corrrect.

Here is a different kind of hint: Imagine if...

Golem (trying to bring knowledge to Halstedom) tries to teach Father-Mother's children how to read and write. Surprisingly, Pott quickly learns all the sounds, and he writes the names of people he knows...

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post May 16 2009, 12:35 PM
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Interesting...

I took the full throne text and made it a bit more readable.

Throne text

I got the names!

The first name: Deadra.
Second name: Henae.
Third name: Onpa
Fourth name: Xetse
Fifth name: Rimat
Sixth name: Therium

New checklist. I'm spending waaay too much time on this. xD

Gamma is hard to find out. Is it 'wh'?
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